tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post8650319939884898398..comments2023-05-10T04:12:00.830-06:00Comments on Krista's Cogitations: My Thoughts on the Arizona KerfuffleAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15875615042494162401noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post-22225617411818586312010-05-13T14:16:35.161-06:002010-05-13T14:16:35.161-06:00Krista:
Well said! In my discussions regarding t...Krista:<br /><br />Well said! In my discussions regarding this issue, EVERYONE who disagrees with AZ's stance on this and makes it about racism and specifically about racism against Hispanics (I guess white people coming over the northern border are less of a threat?). I believe in State's rights and the people of AZ have the right to pass their own laws. <br /><br />I totally agree with you on the Federal law issue as well...where was everyone when that was passed (it wasn't an election year I'll bet)?<br /><br />I have a problem with amnesty on any level. I have many good friends who are LEGAL immigrants to this country and it is a slap in the face to those people who made the effort, spent the time, etc. to obey the laws to give amnesty to those who don't. <br /><br />I do have compassion for those who do come here because they have no hope where they're from...and I don't think they should be deported either, but maybe there could be a "pending" classification given to them and then they'll have to go through the red tape like everyone else...here's another thought which will stoke the fires ;-)...how about an "illegal immigrant tax"? They could stay here, get "pending" status, but then have to pay a special "tax" for the privilege which can be withheld from what ever income sources they have...Same tax could apply to those who employ illegals (maybe at a much higher rate). Of course the down side to this is how to collect/enforce such a tax.<br /><br />This issue will never be resolved without first securing our borders. (Insert image of the great wall of China here). <br /><br />Funny thing about this issue that I hear from people on the "left" is example after example of the poor, hard working, law abiding {illegal} immigrant just trying to make a better life for him/herself and their family and never about the drug running, kidnapping, murdering thugs plaguing Arizona. It's like back in the 70/80s when smoking came under fire and everyone had a "friend/grandfather/uncle/neighbor who smoked 3 packs a day and lived til he was 92" argument. There will always be extreme examples on both sides. Good policy shouldn't be based on extremes in either direction.<br /><br />Lastly, (I know, I'm going way beyond my limit here), America is the BEST place on Earth to live...people literally die to get here because we stand for freedom and opportunity. No where else on Earth can someone with nothing come and with hard work, education, perseverance, and a little luck have the opportunity to create a good living for themselves and their families. All of our ancestors immigrated to this country at one time or another and generations later we enjoy the blessing of their efforts. <br /><br />Unfortunately, there is a lot of anger and hatred on both sides of this debate and the scary thing is it will take just one spark to really ignite a lot of violence over this issue. Hopefully smarter people will emerge to find a better solution.Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091821007543557643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post-70785156066173818722010-05-13T09:54:37.647-06:002010-05-13T09:54:37.647-06:00Thanks, ladies!
As for when the police can stop...Thanks, ladies! <br /><br />As for when the police can stop someone, the language in the bill says that the police can inquire during "any lawful contact." Hubby, having taken a criminal justice course and knowing considerably more than I do about the specifics of criminal law, says that that means you have to have done something first to have them stop you. <br /><br />I'm not sure if I see that limitation in the bill, but according to him, that's what it means. I do wonder whether "Hi!" constitutes "lawful contact," though. However, if you're not breaking any laws at that moment, you can refuse to answer any such inquiries. It's once you break the law that you're vulnerable to questioning.<br /><br />And Jennifer, your posts are really well-thought-out, too - I just so seldom have a chance to think enough to respond, LOL!!! Wish I had more dedicated "discussion" time...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875615042494162401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post-41068458730319457962010-05-13T09:49:48.418-06:002010-05-13T09:49:48.418-06:00Sorry I'm not done--I wanted to comment on you...Sorry I'm not done--I wanted to comment on your first and second points--I have read a lot of contradicting information on various news sources about the bill. And I don't see how it is possible to present conflicting information when reporting the news objectively. And so you're absolutely right that we are being baited into hating and arguing with each other instead of discussing and listening. The media's handling of this makes me so angry! (I guess I've taken the bait myself...)Happy Thought, Indeed!https://www.blogger.com/profile/09922829384557710870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post-66186581950326948342010-05-13T09:35:25.421-06:002010-05-13T09:35:25.421-06:00I wasn't able to finish my comment above. Any...I wasn't able to finish my comment above. Anyway...<br /><br />Someone said, and I agree, that the U.S. should have a wide gate and a high fence. Those trying to get here legally go through mountains of work and long waiting periods to do so. And yet, illegal immigrants seem to feel that they have a Constitutional right to hop the border. <br /><br />The U.S. could help deter illegal immigrants without even addressing immigration itself by un-doing its progressive tax. At first, I was going to say, "let's give amnesty, and see how these new citizens like paying into the system from which they are taking," but then I realized that they would likely fall into the 50% of those who pay no taxes. The U.S. cannot be both a welfare state and have a free illegal immigration policy. We are insolvent on so many levels already--and this is one policy that undermines both our economy and our security.<br /><br />Thanks for your post. I applaud you for taking time for your family. But you are a very good thinker/writer when you get the time!Happy Thought, Indeed!https://www.blogger.com/profile/09922829384557710870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post-77763196220962412502010-05-13T09:29:15.733-06:002010-05-13T09:29:15.733-06:00From what I understand, and no, I haven't read...From what I understand, and no, I haven't read the bill which makes me under-quallified to comment, AZ police will not be asking people to verify their citizenship UNTIL they are already apprehending them for criminal activities. My advice to illegal immigrants: Don't break the law, and you'll be just fine!Happy Thought, Indeed!https://www.blogger.com/profile/09922829384557710870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11302922.post-22202141495956952642010-05-12T22:20:50.765-06:002010-05-12T22:20:50.765-06:00excellent thoughts...you always seem to have a way...excellent thoughts...you always seem to have a way of putting what's been churning around in my brain into concise words.<br /><br />I especially appreciated what you said about the employment of illegals. It is wrong, for many reasons, and truly has created many many problems for society, and for the immigrants themselves.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354008285781898221noreply@blogger.com